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[0:09] <helix84> i'll investigate how to write the XSLT to deal with multiple rights.xml files
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[0:10] <helix84> ok, i'll write you an email...
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[11:04] <elschlomo> worldi hola
[11:04] <elschlomo> oops
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[13:04] <asger> This should be the link
[13:04] <asger> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=6&day=14&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=179&p2=136&p3=195&p4=1405
[13:04] <kompewter> [ The World Clock Meeting Planner - Details ] - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2012&month=6&day=14&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=179&p2=136&p3=195&p4=1405
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[13:08] <ajs6f> We are calendaring, apparently.
[13:11] <elschlomo> Make sure your server is stopped before continuing.
[13:11] <elschlomo> Server directory is /home/ruckus/dev/fedora-3.6/server
[13:11] <elschlomo> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
[13:11] <elschlomo> Error: java.lang.NullPointerException
[13:11] <elschlomo> java.lang.NullPointerException
[13:11] <elschlomo> at org.fcrepo.server.Server.getBeanNamesForType(Server.java:1659)
[13:12] <ajs6f> Chris: When testers find problems, make a Jira issue and a note on the release testing page.
[13:15] <ajs6f> https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FCREPO/Fedora+3.6+-+Test+Plan
[13:15] <kompewter> [ Fedora 3.6 - Test Plan - Fedora Repository Development - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FCREPO/Fedora+3.6+-+Test+Plan
[13:21] <ajs6f> Chris: Problem with object creation slowdown in testing is in Trippi resource pooling.
[13:21] <ajs6f> Chris: A one-liner fix.
[13:28] <ajs6f> Chris: The plan is to do a single complete run of tests, gather as much info as possible, then move onto fixing-fixing-fixing.
[13:41] <cwilper> https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-989
[13:42] <kompewter> [ [#FCREPO-989] Support for JDK 7 - DuraSpace JIRA ] - https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-989
[13:42] <cwilper> https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-1011
[13:42] <kompewter> [ [#FCREPO-1011] OpenJDK Support - DuraSpace JIRA ] - https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-1011
[13:53] <eddies> http://localhost:8080/fedora/objects/application.wadl
[13:54] <eddies> check for the string ":schemaLocation=" in the response
[14:12] <elschlomo> a collegue of mine gathered some numbers from running fedora on a Hadoop Cluster via akubra-hdfs in comparison to akubra-fs:https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5nd_qlYdcqySERLTlZ6ck11MG8
[14:12] <kompewter> [ SCAPE_Evaluation_Report.pdf - Google Docs ] - https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B5nd_qlYdcqySERLTlZ6ck11MG8
[14:13] <ajs6f> Chris-- still there?
[14:13] <cwilper> yes, i'm here
[14:13] <ajs6f> I wanted to add a suggestion or two to "things for the face-to-face".
[14:13] <ajs6f> 1) SemWeb vs. Fedora.
[14:13] <ajs6f> You know this has been a concern of mine for a while, and
[14:13] <ajs6f> the Acuity Unlimited boys are thinking about it too.
[14:14] <ajs6f> We've had some good discussions about it on the special topic call.
[14:14] <ajs6f> I wanted to delve into it in E-burgh and come through principles to some kind of road-map.
[14:14] <ajs6f> Particularly, I want principles that produce a good understanding of the relationship
[14:15] <ajs6f> between the bitstreams and the RDF.
[14:15] <ajs6f> We could start with your recent RFC.
[14:15] <ajs6f> 2) Dismembering Fedora gracefully.
[14:16] <ajs6f> In the past few years, via Trippi and Akubra some good work has been done to slice off pieces of architecture.
[14:16] <cwilper> Do you think it makes sense to have part of the meeting time with the group about this? I know before you mentioned a breakout session. But I'm not aware of any other candidates for "breakout session" material. My guess is that this discussion would be quite relevant to the whole group.
[14:16] <ajs6f> You mean 1)?
[14:16] <cwilper> Yes.
[14:16] <ajs6f> Yeah, I certainly think it extremely important.
[14:17] <ajs6f> To me, it gets at part of the heart of the "what is Fedora?" question.
[14:18] <ajs6f> And you know I've been deating a drum for a while about loosening up the object model, and I believe that shifting the definition of an object instance from construction (via Java)
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[14:18] <ajs6f> to validity (via OWL or other ontology-language) is key to doing that right.
[14:19] <ajs6f> We can't do _that_ without a clear sense of where Fedora ends and the Web begins.
[14:19] <ajs6f> deating -> beating
[14:19] <ajs6f> I don't know how you deat a drum.
[14:20] <ajs6f> So 2)... there are only a few implementations of Trippi or Akubra (although Akubra seems to have gathered more steam as a project, which may say something about
[14:20] <cwilper> exactly. I would be very interested to hear from others on that too. The Internet Draft I did is relevant to that, though admittedly, I didn't intend to necessarily tie it to "what is Fedora". So I'd welcome discussion about it, but I don't want folks assuming it's a proposal for Fedora necessarily.
[14:20] <ajs6f> what people want to spend time with).
[14:21] <ajs6f> Oh, no. I didn't assume that. I just think it's a good place to start from my POV because it _is_ how I think of F-objects and how I want other people to think of them.
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[14:22] <ajs6f> So I _want_ it to be a proposal for Fedora. {grin}
[14:23] <ajs6f> On 2) I'd like us to spend some time thinking/talking about _how and why_ Trippi and Akubra have and haven't succeeded, and where we might want to slice off other pieces of the architecture.
[14:24] <ajs6f> I think that discussion will work very naturally against the desire to develop work-proposals for managed projects.
[14:25] <ajs6f> E.g. could the CMA itself be rearchitectured as a fine-grained SOA that becomes pluggable against the kernel? That would open up a huge space of experimentation.
[14:25] <ajs6f> It would also be very, very difficult.
[14:26] <ajs6f> SO... those are two topics I want to push for E-burgh. (As opposed to general themes, like "What is Fedora?", "What are our architectural principles?", and "Where's the best place to get a beer around here?"
[14:26] <ajs6f> )
[14:27] <cwilper> I've wondered the same. I just want a flexible storage subsystem that has the expressivity inherent in RDF. Something that scales very well and therefore doesn't try to shove everything into a single triplestore, and acknowledges the existence of blobs. Then I can layer whatever I want on top of that.
[14:29] <ajs6f> {cough} Apache Sling.
[14:29] <ajs6f> The JCR node metadata semantics can express RDF. Stanbol's CMS connector subsystem shows one way to do it.
[14:30] <ajs6f> Part of what I really want to ask in my 2) above is: what are we doing that we should _stop_ doing. What are we reinventing? What are we refusing to reuse? The best way to get more resources for development from the community is not to need them.
[14:31] <ajs6f> The more (and better) we understand Fedora (currently implicit) information architecture, the more easily we will steal^H^H^H^H^H reuse from other communities.
[14:32] <ajs6f> s/Fedora/Fedora's/
[14:32] <kompewter> ajs6f meant to say: The more (and better) we understand Fedora's (currently implicit) information architecture, the more easily we will steal^H^H^H^H^H reuse from other communities.
[14:54] <eddies> anyone know how to reference a particular maven artifact as a property? e.g. ${org.fcrepo:mptstore:jar}
[14:54] <eddies> trying to figure out how to do resource filtering but no luck thus far
[14:54] <eddies> for now, i've just pushed an updated install.properties with (updated) hardcoded values
[14:55] <eddies> s/artifact/dependency/
[14:55] <kompewter> eddies meant to say: anyone know how to reference a particular maven dependency as a property? e.g. ${org.fcrepo:mptstore:jar}
[14:56] <ajs6f> It ain't a pretty idea, but could you do it as a string? In other words, assemble "org.fcrepo:mptstore:jar" from other properties?
[14:57] <ajs6f> Or maybe like this? (Second answer)
[14:57] <ajs6f> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359872/can-i-use-the-path-to-a-maven-dependency-as-a-property
[14:57] <kompewter> [ Can I use the path to a Maven dependency as a property? - Stack Overflow ] - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2359872/can-i-use-the-path-to-a-maven-dependency-as-a-property
[14:58] <ajs6f> Wait-- I meant to say, (first answer).
[14:59] <ajs6f> Or even better-- let's just switch the entire build process over to Gradle. Yeah, that's the ticket...
[15:02] <ajs6f> I'm outta here for the day-- Chris, please shoot us an email when you make the fix for that script that stops the Trippi-related slowdown. I'm going to wait to continue testing until then.
[15:03] <cwilper> Oh, that's already pushed.
[15:04] <ajs6f> Faaaaantastic. {grin}
[15:04] <cwilper> Gradle++ Been wanting to look at that but haven't made the time yet.
[15:04] <ajs6f> That was a joke. Seriously.
[15:05] <cwilper> Too late, I already pushed that too!
[15:05] <ajs6f> Actually, I'm fine with anything we want to use, especially because I'd really like us to begin thinking of Fedora as a JVM-based product, not a Java-product.
[15:05] <cwilper> kidding
[15:06] <ajs6f> Nope, now we're committed. Total rewrite to Gradle + Clojure running in Knopflerfish. Should really help us getting new committers involved.
[15:07] <ajs6f> I'm going to go test-ificate. I probably won't check back in before the weekend, but I'll be available via email.
[15:07] <ajs6f> See y'all soon.
[15:07] <cwilper> Yep, I'm open to JRuby, Jython, Groovy, and friends. The trick is getting agreement among other committers that we're willing/able to maintain source code in other langs.
[15:07] <cwilper> See ya.
[15:07] <ajs6f> \quit
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