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IRC Log for 2015-05-20

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[14:52] * tdonohue notes notes that our DSpace DevMtg starts in <10mins (at the top of the hour) here. Agenda: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DevMtg+2015-05-20
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[15:01] <tdonohue> Hi all, it's time for our weekly DSpace Developers meeting. https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DevMtg+2015-05-20
[15:01] <kompewter> [ DevMtg 2015-05-20 - DSpace - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DevMtg+2015-05-20
[15:01] <tdonohue> As it's an "early meeting" I'm gonna ping our usual suspects.... pinging helix84, hpottinger, mhwood, peterdietz
[15:01] <mhwood> PONG
[15:01] <tdonohue> :)
[15:02] <tdonohue> Ok, in any case, as you may have seen, we don't (yet) have 5.2 out the door. But, that will be happening in approximately 1 hour (hpottinger will be leading the effort over in #dspace just after this meeting, and all are welcome to sit in or provide moral support
[15:03] <hpottinger> present
[15:03] <hpottinger> yes, please, moral support in the form of soundtrack suggestions is much appreciated
[15:03] <hpottinger> and you have to listen to me complain about Maven, too
[15:04] <tdonohue> 5.2 has a large number of bug fixes to 5.x, and I know we're all happy to see it heading out the door shortly!
[15:04] <tdonohue> So, the last steps for 5.2 (that I'm aware of) include the following:
[15:04] <tdonohue> 1. We need to update the release notes (with a high level summary of some of the major bug fixes)
[15:05] <tdonohue> 2. We need to draft the public announcement (may include much of the same text as those updated release notes)
[15:05] <tdonohue> 3. We need to update dspace.org (I will do this, again based on Release notes)
[15:05] <tdonohue> 4. Finally, we announce it!
[15:06] <tdonohue> Would anyone here be willing to start / or help draft up #1 (updated release notes summary), which we can then mostly reuse for #2?
[15:07] <tdonohue> (I'm going to admit, my day today is fully packed to the gills with meetings...so, I personally may not have much time. But, I'd be willing to help review it, make suggestions,etc)
[15:07] <mhwood> I can take a stab at #1
[15:08] <hpottinger> whomever does #3, don't forget to reindex stats
[15:08] <tdonohue> thanks mhwood! Much appreciated. There's some stuff to "work from" up at https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DSpace+Release+5.2+Status as well
[15:08] <kompewter> [ DSpace Release 5.2 Status - DSpace - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DSpace+Release+5.2+Status
[15:09] <tdonohue> hpottinger: Oh, you're talking about updating demo.dspace.org. That's actually #5 (which I forgot!). In #3, I meant www.dspace.org
[15:09] <mhwood> We just stack notes for release m.n at the top of the document, just before notes for m.n-1, yes?
[15:09] <tdonohue> mhwood: correct. The 5.2 release notes summary just gets added to the top of this page: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSDOC5x/Release+Notes
[15:09] <kompewter> [ Release Notes - DSpace 5.x Documentation - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSDOC5x/Release+Notes
[15:09] <hpottinger> oh, yes, #5: update demo, and don't forget to reindex stats
[15:10] <tdonohue> (and you'll see that "stacked notes" already for 5.1 and 5.0)
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[15:11] <tdonohue> Anyone want to tackle demo? To be honest, it's almost already updated anyhow (as I had updated it yesterday when fixing that last OAI bug). But, the reindex of stats has NOT been done yet
[15:11] <tdonohue> So, demo just needs to get the latest version of dspace-5_x (which should only include one more commit, for that OAI bug). Then, redeploy & reindex those stats
[15:12] <tdonohue> If no one else can get to demo, I can try to do it (either in between meetings, or first thing tomorrow).
[15:13] <tdonohue> Ideally, we'd want to publicly announce 5.2 tomorrow sometime (if we can). We (DuraSpace) tend to frown on Friday announcements, as they seem like they get ignored or overlooked.
[15:13] <hpottinger> works for me, assuming the release goes smoothly (dry run ran fine yesterday)
[15:14] <tdonohue> OK, so, we have mhwood starting on the Release Notes. hpottinger cutting our release. I'll take on demo. We can then quickly draft the announcement from mhwood's notes.
[15:15] <tdonohue> hpottinger: yea, if we have delays, it's no big deal. But, if we don't get to announce tomorrow, we'd probably wait to announce until Tues (since Monday is a major holiday in USA)
[15:15] <hpottinger> right
[15:15] <tdonohue> Either way, good to be getting this out the door! Thanks all!
[15:16] <tdonohue> Moving along to our next agenda item...I figured it was about time (probably overdue) to start talking DSpace 6.0
[15:17] <tdonohue> As I had noted last week, the "Technical RoadMap" which is being drafted for OR15, is currently making the assumption that DSpace 6.0 will go forward as usual in late 2015, as a "bring us whatever you have" release.
[15:18] <tdonohue> So, that then begs the question, "what do we have?" or "what do we think might be ready?"
[15:19] <mhwood> I need to go over all the stuff I've started here and there, and see what I can commit to (and whether anybody else thinks it's a priority).
[15:19] <tdonohue> In general, it'd just be nice to kick off this discussion and see what 6.0 might look like. So, does anyone have anything (yet) that you'd like to talk about for 6.0?
[15:19] <hpottinger> https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/milestones/post-5
[15:19] <kompewter> [ Issues · DSpace/DSpace · GitHub ] - https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/milestones/post-5
[15:20] <hpottinger> https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/milestones/6.0
[15:20] <kompewter> [ Issues · DSpace/DSpace · GitHub ] - https://github.com/DSpace/DSpace/milestones/6.0
[15:20] <tdonohue> We can also put up our normal "wish list" / brainstorms on the wiki at: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DSpace+Release+6.0+Status (We should add a section for "possible features")
[15:20] <mhwood> There is a PR for instance-local durable identifiers. It probably needs more work.
[15:20] <kompewter> [ DSpace Release 6.0 Status - DSpace - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/DSpace+Release+6.0+Status
[15:20] <tdonohue> aha, thanks for those reminders hpottinger of stuff out there on GitHub already
[15:22] <hpottinger> DS-2397
[15:22] <kompewter> [ https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/DS-2397 ] - [DS-2397] Sort out Unit vs. Integration tests, and run them separately - DuraSpace JIRA
[15:22] <hpottinger> and DS-2288
[15:22] <tdonohue> Also, DS-2160 really NEEDS to happen (anyone up for it yet?)
[15:22] <kompewter> [ https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/DS-2288 ] - [DS-2288] Acceptance test suite - DuraSpace JIRA
[15:22] <kompewter> [ https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/DS-2160 ] - [DS-2160] Remove Lucene search index support and DBMS browse support from DSpace - DuraSpace JIRA
[15:23] <hpottinger> and the "bump all dependency versions" ticket, don't have it handy just yet
[15:23] <tdonohue> This is the starting of a nice little "wish list" already, which I can copy over to the 6.0 Status page post-meeting
[15:23] <hpottinger> and we probably should bump Bootstrap versions for both XMLUI and JSPUI
[15:24] <mhwood> DS-1782
[15:24] <kompewter> [ https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/DS-1782 ] - [DS-1782] DSpace needs local object identifiers - DuraSpace JIRA
[15:24] <tdonohue> I will also mention that I've heard (from @mire) that KevinVdV is playing around with refactoring the DSpace API to support DAOs / Hibernate. Not sure if that'll be ready for 6.0 (or what its status is / when it will be shared more), but it'd be nice obviously.
[15:26] <tdonohue> Are there any features (or tickets listed above) that any of you would be interested in volunteering for (or helping move along)? A "wish list" is good, but a list of things people plan (or are starting) to work on is even better
[15:27] <hpottinger> Kevin's work is on GitHub now, if anyone wants to take a look
[15:27] <tdonohue> link?
[15:27] <hpottinger> https://github.com/KevinVdV/dspace-hibernate-datamodel
[15:27] <kompewter> [ KevinVdV/dspace-hibernate-datamodel · GitHub ] - https://github.com/KevinVdV/dspace-hibernate-datamodel
[15:27] <tdonohue> thanks, hpottinger
[15:27] <mhwood> I noted Ds-2397 and Ds-2288 to actually try to work on them.
[15:28] <hpottinger> also: https://github.com/KevinVdV/Discovery-Elastic-Search-Plugin
[15:28] <kompewter> [ KevinVdV/Discovery-Elastic-Search-Plugin · GitHub ] - https://github.com/KevinVdV/Discovery-Elastic-Search-Plugin
[15:28] <tdonohue> mhwood: thanks for clarifying!
[15:29] <tdonohue> Regarding ES, I will note that the RoadMap Working Group (so far) is recommending migrating to *one* out-of-the-box Indexing system (and the other could be an optional add-on). So, that likely means either Solr OR ES, but not both out-of-the-box. This also applies to Stats
[15:30] <hpottinger> I've been thinking about writing a GitHub mining app to look for "interesting" bits of dspace-related work that I don't know about, but people I know have starred
[15:33] <tdonohue> So, another question about 6.0, anyone interested in possibly being on the Release Team (not gonna hold you to it, yet...just asking for expressions of interest)
[15:35] <tdonohue> hearing no volunteers. Ok, well, think about it (and all you looking in at this later, please do consider it and get in touch!)
[15:36] <tdonohue> Any other topics/brainstorms for 6.0 that anyone would like to add in here?
[15:36] <hpottinger> I am probably going to step down from the RT for 6, but, we'll see. :-)
[15:36] <mhwood> I like the idea of face-to-face inviting some new people at OR, to do a release.
[15:36] <tdonohue> hpottinger: that's what you *think* ;)
[15:37] <hpottinger> yeah, I know, plenty of former RCs step up when called
[15:37] <tdonohue> mhwood: yes, we'll definitely talk more about the 6.0 release in our face-to-face OR meeting too. I agree, maybe we can drum up some volunteers there as well
[15:37] <hpottinger> but, I think the only way we'll get new people on the RT is if I get out of the way
[15:38] <tdonohue> well, we'll see if we can get some other folks to step forward here
[15:39] <tdonohue> OK, so the only other item I had on the agenda for today was to just give another update on the RoadMap Working Group's status.
[15:40] <tdonohue> The basic update is we've been cleaning up the rough draft of the RoadMap : https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/RoadMap
[15:40] <kompewter> [ RoadMap - DSpace - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/RoadMap
[15:40] <tdonohue> It's starting to shape up into an actual "roadmap" (in terms of what things we'd recommend concentrating on per major release). The "candidate features" per release are definitely not yet finalized, but they are getting closer in our minds
[15:41] <tdonohue> Feedback is very welcome (obviously). This will also be discussed in great detail at OR15 too, as noted
[15:41] <hpottinger> (oh, speaking of new people on the RT, aschweer deserves recognition for all the hard work she's put into 5.2, she should go on the list of RT members)
[15:41] <tdonohue> hpottinger: add her!
[15:42] <mhwood> That roadmap looks really helpful.
[15:42] <tdonohue> Any immediate thoughts/concerns about what this "RoadMap" is looking like so far? Obviously there's more to do to clean this up in the coming weeks, but I expect the final result will be somewhat similar in nature
[15:43] <tdonohue> mhwood: thanks!
[15:43] <tdonohue> I'll also mention that this "RoadMap" will also give us some better indications of what things we may want to accept into 6.0. If it's a feature that is "way outside the roadmap" we may want to hold off. But, if it's something that fits well, then we want to try and prioritize it into 6.0
[15:44] <tdonohue> Another thing I will note regarding the RoadMap. Each of the "Candidate Features" on this page, eventually is going to get it's own "subpage" to describe the feature/project/ideas
[15:45] <tdonohue> Currently though, we only have *one* of those subpages created (and it's very rough yet), for the "Single UI Project": https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/Design+-+Single+UI+Project
[15:45] <kompewter> [ Design - Single UI Project - DSpace - DuraSpace Wiki ] - https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/DSPACE/Design+-+Single+UI+Project
[15:45] <mhwood> I have my usual comment that DSpace should do *less* statistics, and more to make it easy to get event data into real stat. packages and import their results. But that's just me.
[15:46] <tdonohue> Just wanted to note that more details are coming for each of these proposed features, etc. We also do want to start to gather some "volunteers" for specific projects (hence the volunteers column in the tables -- currently empty though as it was just added)
[15:47] <tdonohue> mhwood: that is a balance we may need to make. I also have some of those concerns, but feedback from DCAT folks always seems to want to see stats *in the UI*. Which either means a much tighter integration (with specific engines, like G Analytics), or some form of internal stats engine still
[15:48] <mhwood> Well, that's a topic for another day. I have some notions....
[15:49] <tdonohue> mhwood: you are more than welcome to start to get your ideas written somewhere, even in a new "use case" (for how DSpace could better integrate with one or more external search engines)
[15:49] <mhwood> Well answered. :-)
[15:50] <tdonohue> :) Honestly, I'm likely this model of gather use cases for these ideas (even if some of the use cases end up a bit techie), as it really helps us to "frame" the problem better, and find a common view/vision
[15:51] <tdonohue> Any other last thoughts on this RoadMap work so far? Again, you are also welcome to send me feedback directly or add comments to the Wiki page(s) too
[15:51] <tdonohue> (and that includes all you "lurkers" or later readers of the notes here -- feedback is welcome from ANYONE, not just Committers)
[15:52] <tdonohue> Ok, well that was the last item on my agenda for today. Anything else anyone has to bring up or talk about?
[15:54] <hpottinger> who's going to help me cut this release?
[15:54] <mhwood> What do you need?
[15:55] <hpottinger> a peanut gallery
[15:55] <mhwood> I can heckle.
[15:55] <tdonohue> Just as a sidenote, at OR15, I'd like to discuss these "early meetings" in general. It seems like (for whatever reason), these meetings are very sparsely attended. This "early meeting" (15UTC) schedule was meant to accommodate our colleagues in Europe, but it seems like it's not working as well as we might have liked. I'll add a note to our OR15 meeting page though
[15:56] <hpottinger> +1 meeting schedule discussion
[15:56] <tdonohue> hpottinger: I'll be around off & on here for the next hour...I do have a meeting coming up, but I'll track your progress over in #dspace
[15:56] <hpottinger> I'd like to propose a simultaneous backlog hour and cutting of 5.2
[15:57] <tdonohue> I'm not going to be able to do backlog hour (which I realized I forgot to note). Again, I have a meeting conflict. I can "lurk" but probably won't be much help
[15:57] <tdonohue> In any case, this official DevMtg is closed for today (since it seems like we are on to other topics). Please feel free to join us over in #dspace while we release 5.2
[15:57] <hpottinger> who else is here besides mhwood?
[15:57] <mhwood> I can hang around .
[15:58] <hpottinger> moving to #dspace now
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